Are you a “BIRTHER” or a “MARK”.

In the old neighborhood we would get a empty Sony TV box, glue cement blocks or bricks in it, reseal it and sell it on the street for $100.00 with the story that it was a $600.00 Sony TV that fell off a FedEx truck. Anyone that bought it without opening it was labeled a “Mark” A Bernie Madoff client, a Schmuck.

The ones that wanted to see what’s in the box before they bought it, today would be labeled a “Birther”

Are you a “BIRTHER” or a “MARK”. Do you believe Obama was born in Kapi’olani hospital? If you do I have a bridge I would like to sell you. It goes from Brooklyn to Manhattan, ready for a toll booth to be installed.

A “Mark” BELIEVED BILL CLINTON WHEN HE SAID: “I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN” Then they found the stained dress. He lied and they became a “Birther”.

A “Mark” BELIEVED JOHN EDWARDS WHEN HE SAID: “THAT’S NOT MY BABY” Then the Enquirer exposed him. He lied and they became a “Birther”.

A “Mark” BELIEVED WILLIAM “FREEZER” JEFFERSON WHEN HE SAID: “I DON’T KNOW HOW THAT CASH GOT IN MY FREEZER” Then they threw him in the slammer and they knew he lied and they became a “Birther”.

A “Mark” BELIEVED LINDA LINGEL WHEN SHE SAID: "So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."
Then they learned she lied, Fukino's statement never identified Kapiolani as Obama's birthplace and they became a “Birther”.

Fukino said, "[I have]...personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record...,"

Beyond the lie, if Lingle disclosed Obama's birth hospital without his permission, she has committed a misdemeanor. If Obama gave permission for this public disclosure, then Hawaii no longer has a basis for maintaining the privacy of Obama's birth records.

Welcome to the new members of the growing army of “BIRTHERS”

Chris Mathews, Rush Limbaugh, Hawaii Governor Abercrombie Senator Will Espero and Hawaii Legislators; Rida Cabanilla, Jerry Chang, Joey Manahan, John Mizuno and Calvin Say to name a few.

Proud to be a “Birther”

Friday, August 9, 2013

Document Examiner Tied To Obama’s Attorney Says Obama Birth Certificate Is 100% FAKE

We here at Mr. Conservative wouldn’t presume to say that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States or that his father isn’t Barack Obama, Sr. We merely point out anomalies in the information he has produced about his youth, and we report on documentary challenges to Obama’s autobiography. Lately, these challenges have been coming on thick and fast.  (As an aside, it’s also been strange that Obama has been erased from his classmates’ memory at Columbia.)
Most recently, Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse concluded that both Obama’s long-form birth certificate (prominently displayed at the White House website) and his selective service card are forgeries. This conclusion has been met with surprising silence from the Left. Perhaps they simply don’t know how to respond to the thousands of hours of investigation, the quality of the investigators, or the detailed challenges to the document Obama has produced (electronically only) with the claim that it’s the real deal.
PP Simmons has just published a fascinating new piece of information that may go a long way to explaining the deafening silence from the Obama team. Mike Zullo, who is the lead investigator for the Cold Case Posse, filed a detailed affidavit with the Alabama Supreme Court, giving chapter and verse on the problems with Barack Obama’s long-form birth certificate. In that document, he cited to Reed Hayes, a Certified Document Examiner in Honolulu, Hawaii. Zullo says that Hayes produced a 40-page, currently still-confidential, opinion spelling out the problems with the birth certificate.
Because of his prominent role in challenging the birth certificate, Hayes should be a prime target for the Obama-ites. It turns out, though, that there’s a big problem with targeting him and the problem starts with Obama’s own defense team. Perkins-Coie is a law firm that has been working for Barack Obama for five years defending him against challenges to his birth certificate and his citizenship. (Being a “natural born American” is, of course, a prerequisite for being President of the United States.)

It turns out that Hayes has worked as an expert witness for Perkins-Coie. If Hayes’ expert opinion finally makes it to a judge, and Perkins-Coie is called upon to defend Obama’s birth certificate against the charge that it is fraudulent, Perkins-Coie will have a very hard time challenging Hayes’ expertise and credibility. After all, in the past, Perkins-Coie had concluded that Hayes had the proper expertise and credibility to serve their own clients.
Mike Zullo summed up the problems that the Obama team will have with Hayes’ expert testimony:
This ought to serve as a warning shot across the bow to the naysayers of our criminal investigation in the Obama fraud case. The impressive credentials of Mr. Hayes, and the fact that he has testified in court cases for Perkins-Coie coupled with the fact that Mr. Hayes is a registered Democrat, demonstrates the integrity of our investigation and our conviction that we possess incontrovertible evidence to back our case. It must be emphasized that we possess much more evidence similar to this revelation that we have not yet released for public information.
And while we’re talking about problems with the documents that Barack Obama has produced to support his version of his history, Bill Schanefelt, writing at American Thinker has resurrected some photographs from the 2008 campaign that purport to show (1) Obama’s happy boyhood with his mother, sister, and grandfather; and (2) his happy relationship as a young adult with his white grandparents. They’re nice photos. They’re also really weird.
For example, if you look closely at the picture of Obama standing with his mother, sister, and grandfather, you’ll notice that his very white-skinned mother has a brown fist tucked under Obama’s right arm:
Obama and his mom who has a black hand
Here’s a close-up:
Obama's mom has a black hand
Unless his mother had some bizarre – and hitherto undisclosed – skin condition, someone’s been playing around with this photo.
The same is true for the photograph of Obama allegedly seated between his grandfather and grandmother.
Obama and his granddad who as a peculiarly jointed arm
This is one of those pictures that looks normal until you look at Stanley Dunham’s left hand hovering lightly above Obama’s left shoulder. After a moment, you’ll realize that Stanley’s elbow would have had to start bending just an inch or two below his own shoulder in order to rest on Obama’s shoulder that way. Hmmm.
Two bloggers had the same idea: “Let’s see what happens if we take Obama out of the picture, and let his grandparents cuddle up together. Suddenly, Stanley looks less deformed.”
From Big Fur Hat at iOwnTheWorld:
Obama's grandfather and grandmother
Obama's grandfather and grandmother2
From Richard Terrell at Aftermath:
Obama's grandfather and grandmother3
Here’s the bottom line – we don’t what Obama’s real story is. What we do know, though, is that he’s made the decision to advance a series of questionable documents and photographs to support the story he wants us to believe. Put another way, if Obama has nothing to hide, why is he so obviously lying?

Obama ID Fraud Accomplice Sen Brian Schatz Involved In Sheep Rape Rituals

Senator Brian Schatz


Hawaii senator Brian Schatz involved in sheep rape rituals

U.S. Sen. Brian Schatz once led a fraternity that got into trouble with the law and animal welfare groups for threatening to sodomize a sheep.
The Hawaii Democrat, pictured here in the Class of 1994 yearbook, was a senior member of Phi Delta while studying at Pomona College, a small liberal arts school in eastern Los Angeles County.
“The Phi Delta fraternity has been charged with engaging in cruelty to animals by the Pomona Valley Humane Society after a Campus Security officer found a sheep locked in a social room closet being used by the fraternity,” wrote Brandon Stafford of Pomona’s school newspaper, The Student Life on April 8, 1994.
The Pomona Phi Delta to which Schatz belonged was not related to international Phi Delta Theta, which is headquartered in Oxford, Ohio and numbers among its members celebrated architect Frank Lloyd Wright and astronaut Neil Armstrong, the first man on the Moon.
“After a student in Clark V [dorm hall] reported hearing the bleating of a sheep in the basement of the dormitory, Campus Security arrived to cut the lock and free the animal, which was confined to small room [sic] also housing eight empty beer kegs,” the report continued. “The Humane Society is currently examining the sheep to see if it has been sexually molested.”
The sheep was not well cared for in its confines. “According to the security officer who freed the animal, there was a locked door between the sheep and the food and water the fraternity had left for it,” The Student Life reported.

Phi Delta member David Agay ’94 explained that the sheep was used in the fraternity’s initiation rites. Pledges were encouraged to “just give the sheep one poke,” Agay told to the student newspaper at the time, “but … if they tried to touch the sheep, they would be stopped. The pledges that refused to go near the sheep, he continued, were told that they could not join the fraternity.”

 Democrat Man-Sheep Lover - Senator Brian Schatz and his Girl.
The pledges were later told that the trial was only a joke and that their refusal to sodomize the sheep did not bar their entry into the fraternity.
Agay denied that they did anything wrong but the college’s judicial body disciplined the fraternity and ultimately shut down fraternities entirely.
Schatz has never publicly discussed the incident, nor does he mention his involvement with the fraternity.
Animals seem to have been a theme for the fraternity. “Other traditional Phi Delta parties included the boxer shorts party, the barnyard animals party, and the Toga party,” noted the 1994 yearbook.
Schatz was appointed to the World’s Greatest Deliberative Body after Democratic Sen. Daniel K. Inouye died in December. He is currently running against Colleen Hanabusa in the Democratic primary, which is in August 2014.
Colleen Hanabusa said do not worry Brian she can get an abortion.

New signs going up in Hawaii
Tags: Animal cruelty, Animals, Brian Schatz, fraternities, Sexual abuse

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Why does the hospital not claim credit if you know who the doctor is? 
Specifically, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. HIPAA. You know that law that’s mentioned every-time you go to the doctor, and you have to sign the form that says you understand your rights under it?  
The twins are on the bottom, on the left.
The birth announcement is there in the newspaper on August 16 (Obama’s announcement was on August 13).” 

What is a "Natural Born Citizen"

Another excellent essay Mario.

The people asking questions about Obama’s eligibility are not a fringe percentage despite that the media is trying to portray them as such. Somewhere between 1/3 to 2/3 of Americans in the various states have questions about Obama’s hidden records and why he is hiding them and are asking questions about his Constitutional eligibility to be the President and Commander in Chief of our military. These people just do not trust Obama since he is hiding so much of his life from the public.

Disgracefully, the main stream media continues the cover-up they have conducted since 2008 about the most important constitutional issue since the Civil War. The 4th Estate of our system of government is as corrupt as those in elected power in Washington DC. Instead of investigating the charges using the media’s Freedom of Information Act powers to obtain copies of original documents that Obama has sealed and hidden, the main stream runs cover for Obama and belittles and ridicules those seeking to support Article II of the U.S. Constitution. The truth will come out eventually. It is time the media started doing its job and really dig into the hidden records of Obama and expose the original records and with them the truth. It is time for the media to change sides from being a protector of the powers to be in Washington DC and get on the side of the Constitution and the people. It is time the main stream media got on board with We the People and stopping running interference for Obama and bring this matter to a close by conducting a serious investigation and having free and open debate on TV without ridicule and exposing the facts, all the facts. And then let the chips fall where they may. The truth and the Constitution will win out in the end. We the People will demand it. This issue is NOT going away.

Charles Kerchner
Commander USNR (Retired)

Arizona’s Proposed Interstate Birth Certificate Compact Law as Now Written Is Both Unconstitutional and Contrary to the Best Interests of the United States
 By Mario Apuzzo, Esq.Written: February 24, 2011
 Revised: February 25, 2011  

Arizona is considering passing a law that, among other things, would allow a child born in the U.S. to one or two alien parents to be recognized as a “natural born Citizen.” Such a law would be passed in error. Apart from the proposed law being unconstitutional for violating the Supremacy Clause and the Pre-emption Doctrine, a law that recognizes an Article II “natural born Citizen” as including a child born in the U.S. to one or two alien parents would be contrary to what the Founders and Framers designed as a nationalsecurity safeguard for the Offices of President and Commander in Chief of the Military.In this article, I will address only that part of the proposed law that attempts to define what an Article II “natural born Citizen” is and specifically that part of the law that includes as an Article II “natural born Citizen" a child born in the U.S. to one or two alien parents. In a follow up article, I will address the other parts of the proposed law that I will show are also unconstitutional. This proposed law is known as SB1308 and is designed to amend Title 36, Chapter 3, by adding what the law calls an interstate compact which concerns U.S. citizenship. The new Article is Article 6, Interstate Birth Certificate Compact 36-361. The proposed law states that the “governor is authorized and directed to enter into a compact on behalf of this state with any of the United States lawfully joined in the compact in a form substantially as  follows.”

Article I and III of the new law declare that “[a] person who is born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is a natural born United States citizen.” Article II says that “as used in this compact, ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States’ has the meaning that it bears in section 1 of the fourteenth amendment to the United States Constitution, namely that the person is a child of at least one parent who owes no allegiance to any foreign sovereignty, or a child without citizenship or nationality in any foreign country.” Article II also says that “for the purposes of this compact a person who owes no allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is a United States citizen or national, or an immigrant accorded the privilege of residing permanently in the United States, or a person without nationality in any foreign country.” The proposed law seeks to define an Article II “natural born Citizen” by tying that definition to the 14th Amendment's “subject to the jurisdiction” clause. It then sets out to define what “subject to the jurisdiction” means. It ties that clause to the child being born to at least one parent who does not have any foreign allegiance. So, the proposed law seeks to tell us what a “natural born Citizen” is by providing us with its own definition of “subject to the jurisdiction” and allegiance. But as we shall see, given how it defines“subject to the jurisdiction” and allegiance, Arizona would allow even a child born to two alien parents to be included as a “natural born Citizen.” I. The Proposed Law Improperly Connects the Meaning of a Natural Born Citizen to the14th Amendment Arizona has improperly tied the meaning of a “natural born Citizen” to the 14thAmendment. The meaning of a “natural born Citizen” has nothing to do with the 14thAmendment. The Framers wrote the clause in 1787 and the 14th Amendment was passed in 1868. There is no indication in the text of the amendment, its history, or in any court decision that suggests that the amendment changed Article II’s “natural born Citizen”clause. There is a critical difference between a 14th Amendment “citizen of the United States”and an Article II “natural born Citizen.” “Representatives, U.S. Const. Art. I, § 2, cl. 2,and Senators, Art. I, § 3, cl. 3, must be citizens. Congress has the authority "to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" by which aliens can become citizen members of our society, Art. I, § 8, cl. 4; the judicial authority of the federal courts extends to suits involving citizens of the United States "and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects," Art. III,§ 2, cl. 1, because somehow the parties are "different," a distinction further made by the Eleventh Amendment; the Fifteenth, Nineteenth, Twenty-Fourth, and Twenty-Sixth Amendments are relevant only to "citizens." The President must not only be a citizen but"a natural born Citizen," Art. II, § 1, cl. 5. One might speculate what meaning Art. IV, §2, cl. 1, has today.” Sugarman v. Dougall, 413 U.S. 634, 651-52 (1973) (Rehnquist, J.,dissenting).  

Anytime Congress uses its naturalization powers, it creates a “citizen of the United States” and not a “natural born Citizen.” That is the reason why although a Congressional act or treaty can declare a person to be an “at birth” “citizen of the United States,” doing so does not mean that that person is a “natural born Citizen.” That person would have to satisfy the conditions of being a “natural born Citizen” without being compelled to rely upon the act or treaty to give him or her at most the status of a “citizen of the United States.” The same reasoning extends to the 14th Amendment, which is nothing more than the constitutionalization of Congress’s Civil Rights Act of 1866 and not the People’s amendment of Article II. So any person who is at most made a “citizen of the United States” by the 14th Amendment and who does not otherwise qualify as a “natural born Citizen’ is a “citizen of the United States” but not a “natural born Citizen.” All the political and legal battles under the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the Fourteenth Amendment over who has the right to be admitted to membership in America does not  change the meaning of an Article II “natural born Citizen,” for these battles have not been about who are “natural born Citizens” under Article II but rather about who are “citizens of the United States” under those laws. There has never been any doubt in our nation as to who the “natural born Citizens” are. As we shall see below, the U.S. Supreme Court has informed us several time throughout our history that a child born in the country to citizen parents is a “natural born Citizen.” This American common law definition of anatural born Citizen,” based on natural law and the law of nations, has to this day never been changed by the Constitution, Congressional Act, or the U.S. Supreme Court, and continues to prevail as originally written in Article II by the Framers in 1787. II. The Proposed Law Improperly Re-defines the Meaning of “Subject to the Jurisdiction” Article II of the proposed law says that “‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States’ has the meaning that it bears in section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, namely that the person is a child of at least one parent who owes no allegiance to any foreign sovereignty, or a child without citizenship or nationality in any foreign country.” But the 14th Amendment’s “subject to the jurisdiction” clause has never been defined in this manner by our federal courts. For example, U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649,708 (1898) found that a child born in the U.S. to parents who were both aliens and who were domiciled and residing in the U.S. and not serving in any foreign diplomatic capacity was born “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States and therefore a born “citizen of the United States” under the 14th Amendment. Hence, Arizona wants to change the meaning of “subject to the jurisdiction” through an interstate compact. Arizona simply cannot do that, for federal law on the matter is supreme. The Constitution, federal law, and treaties are “the supreme Law of the Land” and there fore trump any conflicting state law. See Constitution Article VI, Clause 2. Such a provisionis unconstitutional.

"Subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means "not subject to any foreign power. "Civil Rights Act of 1866. Hence, it is tied to allegiance. Simply being born on the territory and being subject to U.S. laws is not sufficient, for virtually every child born on U.S. soil satisfies that condition by simply being born on the soil (except for children of ambassadors, invading armies, and American Indians as originally believed). Rather,more is needed. While traditionally, citizenship of the child's parents was needed, Wong Kim Ark changed the law and used domicile and residence of the alien parents as the sufficient link to declare U.S.-born Wong Kim Ark to be a 14th Amendment born "citizen of the United States," not to be confused with an Article II "natural born Citizen."Wong's parents were in the U.S. legally, i.e., with the consent of the U.S. But as far as an Article II "natural born Citizen" is concerned, the natural law/law of nations/common law definition of that term was never changed and prevails today. That definition is a child born in the country to U.S. citizen parents. III. The Proposed Law Improperly Defines Not Owing Any Allegiance to Any Foreign Sovereignty Article II of the proposed law also says that “for the purposes of this compact a person who owes no allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is a United States citizen or national,or an immigrant accorded the privilege of residing permanently in the United States, or a person without nationality in any foreign country.” This provision is designed to allow a child born in the U.S. to be born to different types of parents so that he or she can still be considered a “natural born Citizen.” First, this provision is contradictory. The law would allow a child born in the U.S. to one alien parent to be not only a “citizen of the United States” but also a “natural born Citizen.” If a child is born to an alien parent, then that child acquires through jus sanguinis an allegiance and citizenship in the alien parent’s nation. But this provision says that a person who owes no allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is a United States citizen or national. So first the new law allows not only a “citizen of the United States” but also a“natural born Citizen” to have dual allegiance by being born to an alien parent but then it tells us that a person who owes no allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is a United States citizen of national. These provisions are contradictory. Second, dual citizenship is not prohibited in the U.S. Hence, under the 14th Amendment or Act of Congress, a “citizen of the United States” could be a person who holds allegiance to not only the U.S., but also to some foreign nation. A prime example is Wong Kim Ark to whom the Court gave U.S. citizenship but at the same time recognized that he also had allegiance to and citizenship with China, the nation of his parents. But yet this provision assumes that a “citizen of the United States” does not have any foreign allegiance.

Third, Article II also says that “an immigrant accorded the privilege of residing permanently in the United States” owes no allegiance to any foreign sovereignty. This is simply not our citizenship and naturalization law. A person who is an immigrant and has the privilege to permanently reside in the United States is a permanent legal resident (LPR) or what is commonly known as a “green card” holder. This person has not yet been naturalized and is therefore not a “citizen of the United States” under the 14th Amendment. This person is an alien under our citizenship and naturalization laws. It is therefore not possible that this person would not owe allegiance to some foreign sovereignty. Fourth, this provision also says that “a person without nationality in any foreign country” also has no allegiance to any foreign sovereignty. But the fact that someone may have no nationality in any foreign country does not mean that that person has no allegiance to some foreign sovereignty. Simply stated, allegiance and nationality are not the same things. Loss of nationality is a very complex matter and cannot be equated with loss of allegiance without any in depth analysis of all the legal ramifications involved. IV. The Proposed Law Improperly Allows a Child Born to One or Two Alien Parents to Be Included As an Article II “Natural Born Citizen” As we have seen, Article II of the proposed law provides that a “natural born Citizen” is a child born in the U.S. to “at least one parent who owes no allegiance to any foreign sovereignty, or a child without citizenship or nationality in any foreign country.” As can be seen, the new law defines a legal permanent resident (LPR) as having no foreign allegiance. Hence, under Arizona’s proposed law, the child’s parents could both be non-U.S. citizens or one could be a non-U.S. citizen and the child would be included as a “natural born Citizen.” We have also seen that a legal permanent resident is still considered an alien under our law. The proposed law also includes as a “natural born Citizen” “a child without citizenship or nationality in any foreign country,” without any reference to the allegiance and citizenship of that child’s parents. Hence, Arizona would therefore include as a “natural born Citizen” a child born in the U.S. to one or two alien parents. But such a definition of a “natural born Citizen” is in error. Why do we need that the child be born to two U.S. citizen parents? Arizona’s proposed law would defeat the whole purpose of the Framers using the natural law definition of a“natural born Citizen” as the standard to be met by any would-be President and Commander in Chief. There is good reason why the Framers relied upon natural law to provide the definition of a “natural born Citizen.” Under natural law which when applied to nations become the law of nations, a “natural born Citizen” is defined as “those born inthe country, of parents who are citizens.” Emer de Vattel, The Law of Nations, Section212 (London 1797) (1st ed. Neuchatel 1758). Vattel explains that it is “our extraction, not the place of birth, that gives us rights.” Id. at Section 216. We can see that under natural law and the law of nations, it is the condition of the parents that is critical to making a “natural born Citizen.” Hence, when applying the natural law definition of “natural born citizen,” we have to look only to the citizenship of the parents of the child at the moment of birth. But nations pass positive laws regarding citizenship which impact on the allegiance and citizenship of individuals born in and out of their territory. Hence, we also have to look to the place of birth when nations pass such positive laws concerning the citizenship status of its citizens born either in or out of its national boundaries. Vattel explains that those laws must be followed when a sovereign nation passes such laws. Section 215. Under natural law and the law of nations and how the Framers juxtaposed “natural born Citizen” with “citizen of the United States” in Article I and II of the Constitution, a “natural born Citizen” includes all those born with no foreign allegiance and excludes all those born with foreign allegiance. The purpose of having the natural law national character of “natural born citizen” is to show that a person is born with natural allegiance to only one nation. It was because the “natural born Citizen” status gives a person such a natural character from birth that the Founders and Framers chose that natural law status as having to be the one to be held by a would-be President and Commander in Chief of the Military from the moment of birth. Indeed, it was this national character that for them best kept foreign influence out of the Offices of President and Commander in Chief. A child born in the U.S. to alien parents inherits at birth a foreign natural allegiance from one foreign parent as he or she does from two foreign parents. This occurs under the doctrine of jus sanguinis (inheriting citizenship from one’s parents or other ascendants). With one foreign parent, he or she acquires positive law allegiance to the U.S. from being born on its territory and natural allegiance to the foreign nation of his or her parent by being born to them. With two foreign parents, he or she acquires positive law allegiance to the U.S. and natural allegiance to the two foreign nations of his or her parents. If the child is born out of the United States, he or she will acquire positive law foreign allegiance from the foreign territory on which he or she may be born. The point is that unless the child is born to two U.S. citizen parents in the U.S. which cuts off any possibility that either natural law foreign allegiance, inherited from alien parents, or positive law foreign allegiance, acquired from birth on foreign soil, will attach to the child, he or she will acquire either a natural foreign allegiance or a positive law foreign allegiance. Any one of these conditions under the natural law definition of a “natural born Citizen,” prevents that child from being considered a “natural born Citizen.” No U.S. Court has ever ruled that a person born on U.S. soil to one or two alien parents is an Article II “natural born Citizen.” On the contrary, the only definition of a "natural born Citizen" ever found in any U.S. Supreme Court case is a child born in the U.S. to citizen parents. As authority for this definition, there exists the following cases: The Venus, 12U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Chief Justice John Marshall, concurring and dissenting for other reasons, cites and quoted from Emer de Vattel, Section 212 of The Law of Nations); Inglis v. Trustee of Sailor's Snug Harbor, 29 U.S. 99 (1830); Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857) (Daniels, J., concurring); Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162,167-68 (1875) (gives the same Vattelian definition); Ex parte Reynolds, 20 F.Cas. 582, 5Dill. 394, No. 11,719 (C.C.W.D.Ark 1879) (not a Supreme Court case but persuasive);Ludlam v. Ludlam, 26 N.Y. 356 (1883) (not a U.S. Supreme Court case but persuasive);
United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (not a U.S. Supreme Court case but persuasive); and U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 708 (1898) (cites and quotes Minor’s Vattelian/American common law definition of a “natural-born citizen”) and Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939) (confirmed that a child born in the U.S. to citizen parents, even if those parents are naturalized U.S. citizens, is a “natural born Citizen”);contra the state case of Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Ind.Ct.App. 2009) (declared that “persons born within the borders of the United States are‘natural born Citizens’ for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.” But the court never even raised the issue that there was no proof before the court that Obama was "born within the borders of the United States." In fact, the Ankeny court, while dismissing the plaintiffs' case, never ruled that Obama was "born within the borders of the United States." Nor did it rule that he was a "natural born Citizen." Ankeny mistakenly concluded that the 14th Amendment case of Wong Kim Ark ruled Wong Kim Ark to be a “natural born Citizen” rather than a born “citizen of the United States.” In so ruling, the Ankeny court also incorrectly equated a British "natural born subject" with a U.S. "natural born Citizen" and incorrectly relied upon Wong Kim Ark). Wong Kim Ark created a new category of a born 14th Amendment “citizen of the United States,” one born in the U.S. to alien parents. It did not in any way amend what an Article “natural born Citizen” has always been since the Founding. There is plenty of language in the decision which shows that children born in the U.S. to alien parents were “citizens of the United States” while children born to U.S. citizen parents were “natural bornCitizens.” There exists no U.S. Supreme Court decision in which any Justice ever said that a"natural born Citizen" is a child born in the U.S. to one or two alien parents. Whendefining the clause, they said born in the U.S. to citizen parents. In Minor v. Happersett,the whole Court gave us that definition of a “natural born Citizen” which the whole courtalso confirmed in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark. Also, except for the Naturalization Act of 1790, which was passed by the First Congressand which was repealed by the Third Congress in 1795, the same is true of Congress byprocess of elimination, i.e., in all its naturalization acts, Congress has never had to tell usthat a child born in the U.S. to two citizen parents is a “citizen of the United States.”Since such child is not included in any Act of Congress as needing to be declared a“citizen of the United States,” such child must be a “natural born Citizen.” There also exists evidence directly from the Founding period which conclusively showsthat a "natural born Citizen" was a child born to citizen parents and not to one or twoalien parents. In his 1789 essay, A Dissertation on the Manners of Acquiring theCharacter and Privileges of a Citizen (1789), while not using the phrase “natural bornCitizen,” Ramsay described the original citizens that existed during the Founding andwhat it meant to acquire citizenship by birthright after the Founding. The Constitutionitself shows that the Framers called the original citizens “Citizens of the United States”and those that followed them “natural born Citizens.”

First, Ramsay told us that there is a difference between a “subject” and a “citizen of the United States” and by the way he describes that difference we surely cannot simply say that for the Founders and Framers a “natural born Citizen” had the same meaning as a “natural born subject.” He said: "A citizen of the United States, means a member of this new nation. The principle of government being radically changed by revolution, the political character of the people also changed from subjects to citizens. The difference is immense. Subject is derived from the latin words, sub and jacio, and means one who is under the power of another; but a citizen is an unit of a mass of free people, who, collectively, possesses sovereignty. Subjects look up to a master, but citizens are so far equal, that none have hereditary rights superior to others. Each citizen of a free state contains, within himself, by nature and the constitution, as much of the common sovereignty as another. In the eye of reason and philosophy, the political condition of citizens is more exalted than that of noblemen. Dukes and earls are the creatures of kings, and may be made by them at pleasure: but citizens possess in their own right original sovereignty." Id. at 3 (emphasis in the original). So we can see that with the American Revolution, the Founders and Framers abandoned the notion of a British common law “natural born subject” and replaced it with the new “political character” which they called “citizen of the United States,” a concept that had its genesis in natural law and the law of nations. And this latter term, which Ramsay said described a “political character,” had a meaning which was tied to the form of government chosen by the Founders and Framers, that form being a constitutional republic. It had a meaning that would serve the best interests of a constitutional republicto be led by a representative form of government rather than a monarchial one. Second, Ramsay then explained the different ways by which the “high character of a citizen of the United States” is acquired in the new republic. He said concerning the children born after the declaration of independence: "None can claim citizenship as a birth-right, but such as have been born since the declaration of independence, for this obvious reason: no man can be born a citizen of a state or government, which did not exist at the time of his birth. Citizenship is the inheritance of the children of those who have taken part in the late revolution; but this is confined exclusively to the children of those who were themselves citizens…." Id. at 6. He added that “the citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776.” Id. And again, “citizenship by inheritance belongs to none but the children of those Americans, who, having survived the declaration of independence, acquired that adventitious character in their own right, and transmitted it totheir offspring….” Id. at 7.

In referring to birthright citizenship, Ramsay did not use the clause “natural born Citizen.” Rather, he referred to citizenship as a birthright which he said was a natural right. But there is little doubt that how he defined birthright citizenship meant the same as"natural born Citizen," "native," and "indigenous," all terms that were then used interchangeably and all which meant that the child was born to citizen parents. Ramsay did recognize that future U.S. citizenship could also be gained by naturalization.Hence, it is only reasonable to conclude that his birthright citizenship was not limited to only the children of direct descendents of the original citizens but would also be available to the children of naturalized “citizens of the United States.” Here we have direct and convincing evidence of how a very influential Founder defined a“natural born Citizen.” Noah Webster, 1828, in explaining how an American dictionary of the English language was necessary because American words took on different meanings than the same word in England, placed David Ramsay among great Founders such as “Franklin, Washington, Adams, Jay, Madison, Marshall, Ramsay, Dwight, Smith,Trumbull...” For more information on David Ramsay and his influence during the Founding, please see my essay, Founder and Historian David Ramsay Defines a Natural Born Citizen in1789, accessed at this blog at: A copy of David Ramsay's 1789 dissertation can be found at:  It is also important to understand that Arizona would allow aliens to rear the child who it declares to be a “natural born Citizen.” Aliens become “citizens of the United States”through naturalization which has a very important purpose in the U.S. “The process of naturalization was specifically designed by Congress to require a foreign national to demonstrate that he or she is familiar with the history, traditions, and institutions of our society in a way that a native-born citizen would learn from formal education and basic social contact. Congress specifically provided that an alien seeking citizenship status must demonstrate ‘an understanding of the English language’ and a knowledge and understanding of the fundamentals of the history, and of the principles and form of government, of the United States.’ 8 U. S. C. § 1423. The purpose was to make the alien establish that he or she understood, and could be integrated into, our social system. ‘Through the system of citizenship classes sponsored by the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the local school system, the alien is aided in preparing himself for citizenship, and every effort is made to give him fundamental and uniform knowledge of our political and social structure. In order that he may intelligently use this fundamental and uniform knowledge and so that he may be a complete and thoroughly
integrated member of our American society, the committee [House Judiciary Committee]feels that he should have a basic knowledge of the common language of the country and be able to read, write, and speak it with reasonable facility.’ H. R. Rep. No. 1365, 82dCong., 2d Sess., 78 (1952) (emphasis added). See also 8 U. S. C. § 1424, which precludes aliens who manifest certain opposition to our society or form of government from being naturalized. An alien must demonstrate ‘good moral character,’ 8 U. S. C. § 1427 (a)(3), which was intended by Congress to mean abroad "attachment to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and[disposition] to the good order and happiness of the United States." H. R. Rep. No. 1365,supra, at 80. See also 8 CFR § 332b (1973), detailing the cooperation between the Immigration and Naturalization Service and local schools conducting citizenship education for applicants for naturalization. The above is sufficient to demonstrate, I believe, that Congress provided that aliens seeking citizenship status prove what citizens by birth are, as a class, presumed to understand: a basic familiarity with our social and political mores and institutions. The naturalized citizen has demonstrated both the willingness and ability to integrate into our social system as a whole, not just into our‘political community,’ as the Court apparently uses the term. He proved that he has become ‘like’ a native-born citizen in ways that aliens, as a class, could be presumed not to be. The Court simply ignores the purpose of the process of assimilation into and dedication to our society that Congress prescribed to make aliens ‘like’ citizens. *** But the justification of efficient government is an even more convincing rationale.Native-born citizens can be expected to be familiar with the social and political institutions of our society; with the society and political mores that affect how we react and interact with other citizens. Naturalized citizens have also demonstrated their willingness to adjust to our patterns of living and attitudes, and have demonstrated a basic understanding of our institutions, system of government, history, and traditions. It is not irrational to assume that aliens as a class are not familiar with how we as individuals treat others and how we expect ‘government’ to treat us. An alien who grew up in a country in which political mores do not reject bribery or self-dealing to the same extent that our culture does; in which an imperious bureaucracy historically adopted a complacent or contemptuous attitude toward those it was supposed to serve; in which fewer if any checks existed on administrative abuses; in which ‘low-level’ civil servants serve at the will of their superiors -- could rationally be thought not to be able to deal with the public and with citizen civil servants with the same rapport that one familiar with our political and social mores would, or to approach his duties with the attitude that such position sexist for service, not personal sinecures of either the civil servant or his or her superior.”Sugarman v. Dougall, 413 U.S. 634, 659-62 (1973) (Rehnquist, J., dissenting).  

So, naturalization is a process that serves to integrate an alien into American society. It is reasonable to conclude that a naturalized parent would pass to his or her children those values, attitudes, and knowledge acquired during this integration process. By allowing a“natural born Citizen” to be a child born to and reared by aliens, the Arizona law would remove the requirement that the child’s parents be “citizens of the United States” by birth or by naturalization. By not requiring that both of the child’s parents be citizens at the moment of birth, the proposed law would allow a child born to and reared by aliens to be eligible to be President. For more information on why the “natural born Citizen” clause requires that both of the child parents be U.S. citizens at the time of birth, see my essay published on September8, 2009, entitled, The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth , accessed at  The Arizona proposed law, in how it defines a “natural born Citizen,” also contradicts Arizona HB 2544, which provides that a candidate for President show by competent evidence that he or she “has not held dual or multiple citizenship and that the candidate’s allegiance is solely to the United States of America.” Clearly, if a child is born to one or two alien parents, under the doctrine of jus soli citizenship, that child will be born with dual or multiple citizenship's and not have sole allegiance to the United States. Article VI provides in pertinent part: “B. This compact shall not take effect until the United States Congress has given its consent pursuant to Article I, Section 10, Clause 3of the United States Constitution.” I do not see any way that the Congress would ever give its consent to any such proposed law which I will explain in a follow up article also contains many other unconstitutional provisions.

As we have seen, Arizona’s proposed law would completely change the American common law definition of an Article II “natural born Citizen.” In doing so, it would allow foreign influence to make its way into the offices of President and Commander in Chief and thereby dilute the safeguards for the survival and preservation of the nation that the Founders and Framers gave us through the “natural born Citizen” clause. This proposed law is therefore detrimental to the national security and best interests of the United States in how it attempts to re-define an Article II “natural born Citizen.” This proposed law is not only unconstitutional but also ill conceived as to its merits. As now written, it should be allowed to suffer a quick death.